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upier · Jun 24, 2009, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by beatdownbob

Feel free to respond to the words that were written as opposed to the words that you only wish were written. In your own time of course.

Then I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
I thought you were arguing that are running Glimmer because you like it.

I've re-read it and I don't see what you were trying to say if not the above.
Any additional info would be most helpful.

zwei2stein · Jun 24, 2009, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Originally Posted by faraaz

(snipped griefing definition)

Someone needs to learn the difference between PLAYING the game and being a tool for the fun of it.

Its took you that long to figure him out? It was right in first post:

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Highlight's Pvxwiki nub teams who don't know why they are asking for Word of Healing or Healer's Boon.
75% chance to cause Crying if ally is already suffering from the Pvxwiki condition. If Crying occurs you gain 10 satisfaction.
75% chance to cause RageQuit is ally is already suffering the Crying condition. If RageQuit occurs you gain 50 satisfaction.

That's what i call awesome trollin, kudos!

YunSooJin · Jun 24, 2009, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by beatdownbob

ahhhh.... an extra 30 Satisfaction extracted from pvxwiki.... mmmmmm..... tasty.....

Please though, give me some more paper scissor stone examples of when Glimmer is bad.

Maybe you would say Orison is better because Arcane Thievery has just randomly hit your Glimmer of Light, therefore Glimmer sucks, those types of conditional justifications are at there very best, obvious and obviously pointless, and at worst, +10 satisfaction for me.

1. do basic math
2. compare glimmer to other monk elites
3. ????
4. Profit??

englitdaudelin · Jun 24, 2009, 09:51 PM // 21:51

In PvE:
Apply poison on the ranger, great when combined with BHA.
Sundering Weapon (rit spell) on a x/rt
any burning
then: Epidemic (mesmer, no attribute).

Scads of fun, even in HM.

Regulus X · Jun 24, 2009, 10:35 PM // 22:35

In PvE:
Shroud of Silence (on a Boss)

In PvP:
Smiter's Boon

In PvE and PvP:
Mending

/endsarcasm

street peddler · Jun 24, 2009, 11:05 PM // 23:05

Weapon of Quickening is pretty underrated.

Kitor · Jun 24, 2009, 11:56 PM // 23:56

Lamentation. Ordinarily pretty bad, but I put it in my Assassin's Promise Discord Caller build, works pretty well there.

bhavv · Jun 25, 2009, 02:19 AM // 02:19

If you want to heal a target who is below 50% health, WoH makes the best heal energy wise, Glimmer will not save you if you are low on health in PVP, but WoH will.

If a target is above 50% health, then you simply dont use WoH, you use Patient Spirit and if required when their health falls a little too low while waiting for patient Spirit to heal, you follow up with Dwaynas kiss or sig of rejuvenation.

If you require a daze proof skill, then use Life sheath. Also, while dazed 1/4s sec cast skills can still be interupted with a lucky physical hit.

Another option to daze proof yourself is a tactics 75% block stance from tactics > mending touch if you want a non elite daze proofing.

Patient Spirit with either WoH or Life Sheath outclass Glimmer in PVP, whereas in PVE, HB and UA are the best choices, just remember prot Spirit as well.

Using the argument that using a skill because you enjoy it and find it fun like Glimmer is fine, but dont try and argue that it is better then a WoH or Life Sheath monk because it isnt for the reasons described here.

I enjoy using lots of weaker and not so perfect builds in PVE because PVE is easy and you can complete the whole game as a flare spammer or mending wammo. But I am not going to argue that Mirror of Ice is better than Savannah Heat just because I enjoy using it in a unique non wiki build. Nor that energy surge is better than VoR just because I enjoy playing energy surge.

Empathic Removal and Signet of Removal are very underated. I dont like using these on monks though, but they both work very nicely on a support paragon or warrior hero in condition or hex heavy areas. Alternatively, Convert Hexes or Extinguish on Necro or Ellys is also good, but these two arent as underated.

faraaz · Jun 25, 2009, 06:54 AM // 06:54

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Originally Posted by street peddler

Weapon of Quickening is pretty underrated.

I bring it on my necro when leeching dungeon runs. Comes in handy.

beatdownbob · Jun 25, 2009, 08:40 AM // 08:40

You responded to things that weren't written. But having seen the disgusting, shocking and downright disgraceful moderation that's gone on in here, I'm fairly sure that as a regular, you must be right.

This is a thread about under rated and under used skills, it was obvious from the start this was just going to be flame bait. And even then people still trolled anybody who had the audacity to admit to not running 100% meta ALL THE SHOCKING TIME. Yet the moderators decided that was ok, but replying back was not OK.

It's just like being back on the [Lazy] forums. "You'd better be one of our favourite sycophants, or you can just gtfo"

refer · Jun 25, 2009, 10:00 AM // 10:00

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Originally Posted by beatdownbob

You responded to things that weren't written. But having seen the disgusting, shocking and downright disgraceful moderation that's gone on in here, I'm fairly sure that as a regular, you must be right.

This is a thread about under rated and under used skills, it was obvious from the start this was just going to be flame bait. And even then people still trolled anybody who had the audacity to admit to not running 100% meta ALL THE SHOCKING TIME. Yet the moderators decided that was ok, but replying back was not OK.

It's just like being back on the [Lazy] forums. "You'd better be one of our favourite sycophants, or you can just gtfo"

well you know... everybody has to be at peak performance all of the time. if you are not using the most efficient skill combinations then you should uninstall. and pvx is there to educate the masses about how to best the most efficient.

upier · Jun 25, 2009, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by beatdownbob

You responded to things that weren't written. But having seen the disgusting, shocking and downright disgraceful moderation that's gone on in here, I'm fairly sure that as a regular, you must be right.

This is a thread about under rated and under used skills, it was obvious from the start this was just going to be flame bait. And even then people still trolled anybody who had the audacity to admit to not running 100% meta ALL THE SHOCKING TIME. Yet the moderators decided that was ok, but replying back was not OK.

It's just like being back on the [Lazy] forums. "You'd better be one of our favourite sycophants, or you can just gtfo"

Like I said, the problem isn't running options that aren't as good as others. It's your game and it's your fun. And to anyone saying that Glimmer sucks - you could have just responded with a simple "I don't care" or "I like it".

The problem is this:

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Originally Posted by beatdownbob

Amongst all the amazing reasons to bring this skill, not least the fascinating graphic that leaves people asking what that is, but the QQ from preprogrammed "can u bring woh?" and "bring hb?" nublets is worth it on it's own.

Absolutely comedy gold from the moment you say "If you can explain why WoH is better for the task we're about to undertake, then yes" to the moment you say "gg, thanks everybody, somebody PM that QQ ragequitter and tell him we made it without him and how quickly too!".

You are trying to strengthen your choice with objective reasons.
And the objective reasons speak against Glimmer.

So if you are using Glimmer because you like it - then by all means continue running it. Have fun in PvE! It's the best gift you can give yourself. It's the same reason why my para doesn't run FA + AR, but rather uses SF + ToF!.
If on the other hand you are using Glimmer because you think it's good - then you are mistaken. It's not. So if you strive to play at your best - you'll switch it.

Of course, this issue arises when you end up playing with other people. Then it's no longer your game - but it becomes a team game.
And in a team game - unless the team decides otherwise (which in your case would mean allowing you to run Glimmer) - decisions should be based on objective reasons.
And as people have pointed out - Glimmer objectively sucks.

arcanemacabre · Jun 25, 2009, 10:16 AM // 10:16

So, I'm not sure how underrated it is, but I'm a personal fan of Icy Veins. I like it when things go boom!

I also like Vampiric Spirit at times.

beatdownbob · Jun 25, 2009, 10:25 AM // 10:25

Quote mining is a fun game too.

EPO Bot · Jun 25, 2009, 10:27 AM // 10:27

No it doesn't because i win with it. A lot. It just becomes a problem if people pick a bad monk with WoH over a good monk with glimmer. If you suck, it doesn't matter how gang- i mean: "meta" your build is.

That's the thing that really bothers me about metagamers: They never let you do your own thing. They would pick a fresh monk with three days experience running a wiki bar over a GWAMM with a different one. So unless it's completely random pvp, it will never be something i find fun.

Moloch Vein · Jun 25, 2009, 10:27 AM // 10:27

I find Glimmer of Light far better to put on an N/Mo hero bar than Word of Healing, honestly.

However, the praise for Healing Burst actually made me go cap it.

beatdownbob · Jun 25, 2009, 10:58 AM // 10:58

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

No it doesn't because i win with it. A lot. It just becomes a problem if people pick a bad monk with WoH over a good monk with glimmer. If you suck, it doesn't matter how gang- i mean: "meta" your build is.

That's the thing that really bothers me about metagamers: They never let you do your own thing. They would pick a fresh monk with three days experience running a wiki bar over a GWAMM with a different one. So unless it's completely random pvp, it will never be something i find fun.

It's always refreshing to see somebody who understands.

bungusmaximus · Jun 25, 2009, 11:00 AM // 11:00

PvE: expert's dexterity, especially on heroes

upier · Jun 25, 2009, 11:21 AM // 11:21

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

No it doesn't because i win with it. A lot. It just becomes a problem if people pick a bad monk with WoH over a good monk with glimmer. If you suck, it doesn't matter how gang- i mean: "meta" your build is.

That's the thing that really bothers me about metagamers: They never let you do your own thing. They would pick a fresh monk with three days experience running a wiki bar over a GWAMM with a different one. So unless it's completely random pvp, it will never be something i find fun.

How about a skilled monk with WoH vs. a skilled monk with Glimmer?

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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

PvE: expert's dexterity, especially on heroes

Sweet baby Jesus!
Yes, yes, yes!
Gosh, I LOVE that skill!

beatdownbob · Jun 25, 2009, 12:00 PM // 12:00

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Originally Posted by upier

How about a skilled monk with WoH vs. a skilled monk with Glimmer?

How about an even more skilled monk with Glimmer vs. a skilled monk with WoH?

Sometimes I eat oranges. But I prefer apples. Apples are green. I should have brought Rock, because he brought Scissors. If only I had known. But I've never NEVER chosen Scissors myself, so I wouldn't know. I saw a guy on wiki though, he PROVED with some really clever maths, that you should ALWAYS choose Paper.

It was something to do with the Monty Hall Paradox. Anyway somebody else had D-Shot, and it was basically all over. I should have had grapes. Grapes are purple. Except when they are green.